Caregiver Overwhelm : Why Caregiving Feels So Hard Even When You’re Doing Everything Right with Bryce L. Williams - Episode 255

In this episode of the Caregiver Relief Podcast, host Diane Carbo, RN, sits down with Bryce Williams, a physical therapist with nearly 26 years of experience and the founder of The Meta Caregiver. Together, they peel back the hidden layers of caregiving—exploring why the invisible mental load is often far heavier than the physical tasks.

Tune in to discover practical ways to step back, establish healthy boundaries, and find clarity amid the chaos.

📌 Episode Breakdown & Highlights

• The Invisible Load of Caregiving 🧠 Diane breaks down why caregiving isn't just about managing medications or driving to doctor appointments. It’s the constant mental load, anticipation, and emotional weight that truly exhausts caregivers.
• Meet Bryce Williams & The Story Behind The Meta Caregiver 🩺 Bryce shares his 26-year background as a physical therapist and the deeply personal story of losing his mother to cancer right as he started his career—inspiring him to care for the caregivers.
• Navigating Family Dynamics & Unspoken Expectations 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Why returning home to care for a parent brings back decades-old sibling roles, unresolved tension, and emotional baggage.
• Physical vs. Mental Bandwidth (Why You Feel Fried) 🔋 Bryce explains why doing "everything right" still leaves you exhausted. Just like healing from a physical injury, processing emotional worries constantly drains cognitive energy in the background.
• Why More Information Doesn't Always Help 📚 Information overload leads directly to decision fatigue. Taking in endless advice requires energy you simply don't have.
• Care Strategy Sessions: Dumping What You Can't Control 🗑️ Bryce walks through his framework for sorting responsibilities: identifying what you can control vs. what you can't, throwing out the rest, and building a simple decision matrix to take the stress out of daily choices.
• Setting Boundaries & Asking for Support 🚧 Diane and Bryce discuss how to delegate specific tasks to family members, say "no" without guilt, and implement hard boundaries (like "do not disturb" call windows).

💡 Key Takeaways

1. Caregiving Eats Cognitive Bandwidth 💡: Constant worrying and navigating dynamic family roles drains your battery just as much as physical errands.
2. Focus on What You Can Control 🛑: Stop wasting energy on unchangeable circumstances (like the weather or family opinions). Dump them and focus only on practical solutions.
3. Automate Boundaries with Decision Trees 🌳: Create clear rules for yourself—such as letting calls after 8:00 PM go to voicemail—so you don't have to spend emotional energy making a decision every single time.
4. Be Specific When Asking for Help 🤝: Instead of asking for general assistance, assign concrete tasks (e.g., walking the dog, emptying the dishwasher, or running a specific errand).

🔗 Connect & Resources

• Visit Bryce’s Website: themedicaregiver.com
• Subscribe to Bryce’s Weekly Newsletter: themedicaregiver.com/subscribe
• Follow Bryce on Social Media: Connect with The Meta Caregiver on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, or X (Twitter) for weekly re-frames, quick tips, and short reflections.

Podcast Episode Transcript

Diane: Welcome to the Caregiver Relief Podcast. I'm Diane Carbo, RN, your host today. Today, we are talking about something almost every family caregiver experiences but may struggle to explain: caregiver overwhelm. From the outside, caregiving can look like a series of tasks. You take someone to appointments, manage medications, help with meals, check on safety, or coordinate care.

But what others often do not see is the constant mental load behind it all. Caregivers are not just doing tasks. They are thinking ahead, watching for changes, managing uncertainty, balancing family dynamics, and carrying the emotional weight of another person's well-being.

My guest today is Bryce Williams, a physical therapist and the founder of The Meta Caregiver.

His work focuses on helping caregivers understand the real complexity behind caregiving, including both the visible responsibilities and the hidden load that never seems to shut off. Bryce also works directly with caregivers through one-on-one care strategy sessions, helping them make sense of what they are managing so they can focus on what actually matters.

Today, we will explore why caregiving feels so hard even when you're doing everything right, why more information does not always make caregiving easier, and how caregivers can begin to step back, sort through the noise, and find a clear path forward.

Diane: Bryce, thank you for joining me today.

This is a very challenging topic, but one we don't talk about enough. can you start by telling us what your background is of physical therapy, and what led you to create The Meta Caregiver?

Bryce: Sure. So I've been a physical therapist for the last almost 26 years. graduated from Florida A&M University, back in 2000.

I've worked in pretty much every setting you can think of, outside of pediatrics. But, I've primarily been, focusing on working with, older adults, in the home setting for a better part of the last 20 of those years. my story about getting into physical therapy is really boring. I was a young pup you know, going to college. I've been out in the world long enough that, physical therapy was still a bachelor's degree when I finished. so I had to figure out what to do when I went to college. I, was always interested in healthcare. Did some research, did some shadowing, thought physical therapy would be a good fit, I pursued it, got into school, graduated, started working.

But, things took a little bit of a turn, when I got to college but, certainly more so even, after I got to physical therapy school. My mother was diagnosed with breast cancer, the late... the end of my first semester of my freshman year. she'd had, surgery, chemo you know, checkups, "Oh, they seem to have, have gotten it."

So we were all good. You have to go back for your six-month checkups. And everything was kind of smooth sailing for a little bit, and then, around the time I started physical therapy school, she went for one of her six-month checkups. They found some spots and they're like, "Oh, we think the cancer's back."

And we're off to the races from there. And she, had more chemo, radiation, and more chemo and, it'd gotten pretty far advanced at that point. And I graduated August of, 2000. She was pretty ill, and it was, pretty much at the point where they couldn't really do much else. she passed away three months after I graduated.

And, it was obviously a very devastating event for, my young adult self. but I immediately started my career like I mean, it was like right after that happened. And so I instantly went from being this young guy who's dealt with this experience to being a professional helping people that, you know, a lot of times were dealing with some version of that experience.

And, over the years, more experience, you deal with more of these people, and you get some distance away from your own experience. You can start to see a lot of you in these other folks that you're I love you're, that you're helping. And so that's kind of the origin story of, why I'm here today.

Diane: Why did you call it Meta Caregiver? I'm just curious.

Bryce: It's really a play on words.

Diane: Okay

Bryce: You know, meta being like, like the thing of the thing. caregivers take care of people.

Diane: Yep.

Bryce: I built this thing to care for the caregiver,

Diane: I love that. I love that. Yeah. Now, you talk about, real complexity behind caregiving.

What do you mean by that?

Bryce: Well, on the surface it, it seems fairly simple. Like, oh, mom's sick, dad's got dementia, I have to do all these things. Pretty straightforward. But when you get under the hood, there's a lot more to that. It's not just, oh, gotta fill up the pill box, make sure, mom gets to doctor's appointments, et cetera.

You're dealing with family dynamics. Like

Diane: Yes

Bryce: oh, dad you know, always was hard on me when I was playing sports, and I can never seem to, get his approval. So you're dealing with some of that stuff coming back up.

Diane: Yeah. One of the things that, I find consistently, 'cause I've been around a little longer than you is, you can be away from home for 20 years and you come home to help out, and all the old family dynamics start to play.

I'm the bossy older sister. You know, that's what I'm seen as. my mom died when I was a freshman in nursing school, so after a bout of cancer, so I understand kind of what you went through. But, you also have, the baby who probably got everything, and that's the one mama loves the best.

And so the old dynamics play. Even though you have been out in the real world, you may have changed and you're a responsible, dependable person, they still see you as the person they saw you as when you were a child. And Yeah it's really hard for many to deal with.

Bryce: That and you don't really know how you're going to respond to these responsibilities.

Diane: Yes

Bryce: Until you're in it. And it's not even a thing where you know that you're in it a lot of times. You're just doing stuff.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: And sometimes, after the fact, you're like, "Whoa, what was that thing?" You know? Like, it's a very strange kind of a deal. Yeah. Like, I guess if you go through it again, with another parent or a spouse or, heaven forbid, a child, I guess it would be easier to see what you're up against, but initially you're just "Oh, I have to help my mom do this thing and that thing."

And before you know it, you're like, "Oh, I'm like the person." But even then you may not even notice that until it's all over and you're like, "Wow."

Diane: Yeah. People don't understand that caregiving starts out, intermittent and unpredictable. And most people don't understand that they're not...

That they are caregivers even, and they don't know how to identify themselves in that role. They think it's a family responsibility or Yeah ... I'm just running mom to the doctor, or I'm just picking up pills, or I'm making sure she takes her pills, or making sure the refrigerator's got food and making sure they're eating.

And those are really the first basic tasks, that start your caregiving journey.

Bryce: So, Bryce, why does caregiving often feel overwhelming even when a caregiver is doing everything right?

Because it, I think it's because it takes up a level of bandwidth that you don't notice. it's kinda like, If you are, say, recovering from surgery, you fell off a ladder, got injured, had to have, a fracture repair or something like that, and now you're physically incapacitated for a number of weeks and you're at home. You sit on the couch with your leg up and, not able to do as much as you, you're used to.

And, "Oh, all right. I'm going to work on this puzzle or read a book," or whatever. "Gosh, I got 10 pages into this book and my brain is just fried. I just can't focus, I can't concentrate." Well, it's amount of healing required, from such a thing, that eats up energy. the amount of energy used to walk with crutches or with a walker from your chair to the bathroom eats up more energy than you're used to.

You don't have a lot left over for other things like, focusing on a book you're reading or working on a puzzle. But you don't think of those cognitive tasks as tasks that

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: at up bandwidth the same way as, physical fatigue. And I think a lot of that happens with the caregivers is that they're doing stuff.

"Oh, I've got to get up early and run this errand, run that errand, do this, do that." You think of that as "That makes me tired," but then you're not thinking about, the worrying, the "What happens if mom doesn't survive this? What happens if, I'm not able to do everything, that I'm supposed to be doing?

What happens if I have to quit my job to take care" Yeah ... "of mom?" you're not thinking of those things as the, as a energy depriving things, but they are. And they, but they just kind of simmer in the back, the background and then over

Diane: and the caregivers also have to deal with, the family dynamics, That's the other piece, yeah. Am I going to be demeaned? Am I going to be judged? Am I going to be told I, I'm not doing enough? I mean it's really, really hard for caregivers. and that is the hidden load. they are judged. They are, dismissed by their other family members. And often the pressure is put on them to do more and, the other uninvolved siblings or, extended family members, are there and they just put more and more pressure on the family caregiver instead of easing their burden.

That's challenging.

Bryce: Yep.

Diane: Now, caregivers are often told to find more resources, read more information, or get more organized. Why doesn't more information always make caregiving easier?

Bryce: I think that's actually a good question, somewhat related to the previous question.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: because On the, again, on the surface, more information would seem empowering, seem like a good thing, but it's exhausting because it requires energy to be able to both take in information and then to be able to sift through it all to sort out what actually matters in your situation, both broadly but also, like, today. what I need, what of this is going to be useful for me to get through this week versus, like

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: okay, these things are good to know, but I don't need to worry about these things right now.

And having them sort of in my space just makes it, like, one other thing that I have to

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: you know

Diane: You know

Bryce: use a, use up bandwidth to figure out if I even need to be bothered with it or, but

Diane: Exactly. And you know what? Caregivers actually, do, develop decision fatigue. It's, they really do.

So, what are some signs that a caregiver is carrying more mental or emotional load than they realize?

Bryce: It's fine when they, in my experience seeing folks. I can immediately tell just from outside looking in when people are, like, not taking care of themselves.

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: Not always physically necessarily, but just sleep deprived or not, they're not eating like they should.

They're canceling their own medical appointments in a lot of cases, to tend to whoever they're taking care of. I know that's the biggest thing, just self-neglect. not, not purposely "I hate myself and I don't want..." it's not that. It's just, it's completely what I have going on Yeah

No longer matters. And it also manifests itself, in the case of somebody caring for a loved one that, and they have their own family and, they have their own kids, their own spouse. yeah. And they're not present with their own family.

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: Which creates another set of potential issues that

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: also eats up bandwidth because it's "Oh, my husband's mad at me because, you know, we never do anything, because I'm always running around, running him to doctor's appointments, and I miss my son's soccer games." Because, things like that.

Diane: Yeah. It's sad the family dynamics when you're the sandwich generation person, and there's a lot of them out there.

They're have the their own family, their own household, their own expectations, their job, their children, and now they're taking care of,their parent and managing that home, or parent or parents. And they're managing that home. And, there's a lot of resentment that builds up from the spouse and the children in those relationships.

Because, the caregiver is always torn, am I, to make a choice between their parents that they're caring for and their own families. And it's really challenging. and there's times when, I just had a caregiver on the other day that tells me she was in her daughter's dance recital and her mom called her.

Didn't need anything, but she thought it, she made it like it was urgent. So there she is. She was like, "I have to go and see what's going on with Mom." Missed her daughter's, dance recital, her single, presentation of her dance, and her daughter was hurt and devastated that her mom made the choice to run to see what was going on with Mom, and all it was is attention-seeking behavior from the mother.

And

Bryce: Right, and that's, oftentimes can lead to a core memory that is not good. And then

Diane: Yes

Bryce: 30, 40 years down the road when the daughter is now taking care of Mom, that stuff comes back up.

Diane: Yes. Yes.

Bryce: When she's got her own family, and it's like

Diane: Yes

Bryce: "Oh, that one time that you skipped my dance recital 'cause blah blah blah."

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: A lot of that stuff comes back, and it just

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: cycles.

Diane: Oh, it just, it really does, and it's really sad. You've seen it from your experience as going into the home as a PT. You see the dynamics. You see what's happening. and I'm glad you, have created this forum or platform so that you can help, caregivers to begin sort out what truly matters, from what only feels urgent.

Can we talk about your, care strategy sessions? I'd like to learn more

Bryce: Sure

Diane: about them.

Bryce: So again, a lot of the times people are overwhelmed with Too much information. Information is not a, an issue in 2026. It's, separating what's important and what's not. I like to try and help people sit down and take a deep breath, throw all the stuff out on the table.

"Okay, now, there are all these issues. You've got a job. You've got the mother's got, cancer, or your dad's got dementia," whatever the thing is. "You've got your two kids. You've got a spouse. You've got all these responsibilities. Okay, these are all the things. Now let's sort these things out into the what do you have control over, what do you not have control over." And then once we sort that stuff, all right, we're going to take all the little pieces on the no control over side and we're going to dump them somewhere. We're just, we're not even going to deal with them because we literally have no control over it.

So wasting another nanosecond of energy on that stuff is completely counterproductive.

Diane: And that's hard for many caregivers to give up because they are into trying to manage and control everything in their environment. And they get worse and worse about it as the conditions get more challenging for them in the home providing while they're providing care.

I love that you just tell them, "Dump it."

Bryce: Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, seething about, "I have this thing tomorrow and it's going to rain, and I just can't..." It's like, okay, well, you can't control the weather. You literally can't do anything about it. So

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: spending any ounce of time on that is literally a waste of time.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: When you could be then spending that time instead of focusing on the fact that it's going to rain tomorrow, you could be using that energy to sort out oh, where can I get an umbrella and a poncho? Those are things you can control.

Diane: And Exactly. Yes

Bryce: and the sooner you get to that part, the

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: the, the soon, the sooner you can get to a place where it's like, okay, we're good. We got tomorrow sorted. All right, what's next?

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: So it's really about that, that process of getting rid of stuff you can't, you have no control over.

Narrowing down the things you do, and then of those things, what matters today?

And let's get all that sorted out. Once you get it sorted out, it's like, oh, okay. Cool. Well now I have ... It's a lot, but I know what to do now. And so

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: and clarity is always sort of the thing that, that kind of mitigates overwhelm and stress is like

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: most people can do deal with hard stuff if they know Yeah

what they're dealing with. you know, if you've, worked in clinical, work for a while and you've seen people that they wake up, they have all these weird symptoms, and I don't know what's wrong with me, and they think it's this, but they don't really know. And oh my gosh, what's going on?

Da, da, da. And then you go and get all these tests done and so forth, and then it comes back like, "Oh, well, we got bad news. It's, some rare thing that no one's ever heard of." You have the thing that this is the solution. We're going to do this, we're going to do this, and we're going to do this. It's like, okay, this is not ideal, but we have a plan now.

We have clarity. We know what it is.

Bryce: Yes.

Diane: We know what we're going to do. It's hard, but that clarity is like, okay, great.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: We have a plan. Let's go do that. Instead of just flailing around "I don't know what to do."

Diane: Bryce, the majority of family caregivers out there are really being challenged, setting boundaries.

They have two problems. they don't know how to set boundaries, and they don't know how to ask for help. How do you address that?

Bryce: That's a good question. So the boundaries piece I think is a little more straightforward, falling in the what you can control, what you can't control thing. So it's like

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: and oftentimes it requires outside set of eyes to give them clarity on that because when you're in it, it's hard to

Diane: Yes. Yes

Bryce: It's hard to make sense of it. as far as, Like the other piece, that's, yeah, that's rather difficult because a lot of times people are that way because that's just how they are, and you have to

Diane: Well, people pleasers, I've lived this.

I'm a people pleaser. I'm a caretaker both professionally and personally. And I've always had, an issue with setting boundaries and not knowing my limits, because I keep pushing, pushing, pushing. you know, at 73, I can tell you in my 40s I started changing that. And, when I was caring for my father, and one of the things that, because I was a old nurse, seasoned nurse, I can tell you one of the things I did was, it's really hard for me to say no.

Really, really, really. God, oh my God. If I say no, they're not going to like me, they're not going to love me, they're going to find me terrible. And I think that's one problem that I've learned to overcome with age. now I don't care if you don't like me, I just, I can't give more to you, more than is, than, I, I'm able to.

The other thing with limits is, and asking for help is family caregivers, once they identify that they have their own limitations They need to ask for help, and they always feel like they're failing. They feel like, I'm doing, I'm not doing a good enough job if I ask for help. But, that's not true at all.

People wanna help, and the typical family caregiver goes, "Well, my family knows what I'm going through. I need, you know, help," and they don't offer. And, and I learned when I was taking care of my dad, I assigned tasks to every one of my siblings and extended family members. I said, "Can you ta"

I gave them a list of things, two or three things they could do for me, and I would say, "Hey, my Dad was a letter carrier, and he walked a route for decades. And he likes to go over to the mall, South Hills Mall in Pittsburgh, to walk around. Because all, a lot of his old, people on his route are there, or all the, the old men all connect, collect and talk about saving the world.

So

Bryce: Right, right, right.

Diane: You know, I would say, and they all worked. I actually took off a year of work to help, with my dad while he was on hospice. And, you know, I just said, "Who can do this? Who can do that?" And then whatever I had left, and you have to do it, don't ask somebody to take your person, your loved one to the doctor's if they're not on time and they're not reliable.

Those are really important things to address. So there are things like that, but the biggest things that caregivers deal with is they don't set boundaries, and that's really something they really need to learn to do. And they need to learn to say no, but they also need to be specific about the help they need and ask people to support them in some way.

Even if it's just, "Hey, could you empty the dishwasher? Can you do the laundry for me?" there's, I encourage people to, create a team of support around you that provides practical assistance. Does the dog need walked? Does the dog need to get to the vet? those are things that, that need to be addressed, and I enjoy that, the, care strategy sessions will help them address those and give them clarity because, not only is clarity important to the family caregiver, but you validate them when you support them.

Bryce: And I think, it also Helps building like a, especially for, as you say, the people pleaser personality type where, as, as part of kind of separating out, you know, challenges as the can control

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: can't control, and then organizing. It's really building a decision matrix around those things that fall into the can control bucket.

So it's like, okay, if this, then I do this. If that, then I do this. and then you just keep going. and I think that's an easy way to establish boundaries because you don't have to

Diane: Yes

Bryce: you don't have to get your emotions involved. It's oh, okay, I made my decision tree and it says that if I get this kind of a phone call after 8:00 PM, I don't answer.

It goes to

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: voicemail. I'll get to it in the morning. And then you don't think about it. You're just like, "Oh, it's 8:05." The phone's ringing.

Diane: Yep. Exactly. Okay, I won't answer it. And that's the end of it. there's no "Oh, but what if..." Nope. it's in the rules

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: that we've established.

Diane: I Iove that decision tree. I love that because you're right, it takes the, stress out of trying to fix everything. and, I enjoy that.

Bryce: And I think over time it just becomes a part of... You mentioned like in your 40s you started to get over, Being as much of a people pleaser and being establishing more boundaries.

I think that's sort of a setup will help people get there, but that's kind of the starting point. And then once you kind of

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: get used to that, then it's like, you know, five, 10 years later stuff comes up and it's just it's like, "Oh, wait. No." you're all, you're automatically programmed.

It's like, "Oh, it's 9:17 PM on a Tuesday. Nope, don't answer those." I pick those up at, after 8:00, 8:00 in the morning. That's just what I do now.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: And you know

Diane: what? That's very freeing.

Bryce: Yeah.

Diane: Very freeing.

Bryce: Because you have a way, you have a way to make decisions, and you don't, you're not eating up any

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: extra bandwidth to make those decision. They and it allows you to be you sat

Diane: Oh, I'm sorry

Bryce: you sat down and you sat down and you sorted it out in, one or two blocks of time, and it's like, "Okay, we're good. What's next?"

Diane: And in doing that, it makes the caregiver more, feel more in control of their own life.

Bryce: Yeah, and I think people are be surprised that the people around them that they're trying to please or that they're afraid of judging them, oh, but more times than not

Diane: Yeah

Bryce: this, if you're telling like, "Oh, well, you know, my siblings know that, like if you call me after this time during the week, it's gonna go straight to voicemail.

I don't answer those calls. If it's really important, then you send me an urgent text or something." you have a way to Yeah.

Diane: You have a system. Yeah

Bryce: differentiate between what's urgent and what's just nice to know but can be dealt with tomorrow. You'd be surprised at

Diane: Yeah.

Bryce: How those people are like, "Oh, okay. that's just how it is." Yeah. And it's not a big deal once you, you've established it

Diane: I have a do not disturb on my phone, and from

Bryce: Me too

Diane: from 9:00 PM to 7:00 AM, do not disturb. It, the calls don't come through, and my family understands that.

Now, if there's an emergency, there is a bypass, and it tells you how, the phone call will tell you how to bypass so that a phone call will get through. But, you know, that assures me at least I'm going to have uninterrupted sleep for the most part. 'Cause you also have people that, their parents are absolutely, they call for no reason at all hours of the day or night, and that's very challenging.

But you put systems in place so that, make sure they have a Life Alert or whatever, system so that if they fall, you get alerted. But there are systems you can put into place, and I think that, your care strategy sessions really do give, caregivers clarity. I like that.

I like that a lot. Bryce, what would you say to, the caregiver listening today who feels exhausted, overwhelmed, and worried that they're not doing enough?

Bryce: I would just say, the best thing would be to stop, take a deep breath, and number one, realize that's probably not true, that you're not doing enough, that is.

Diane: Yes.

Bryce: You're not the only one doing what you're doing, and what you're doing is doable and even doable with, without losing yourself in the process with, with a plan.

With a plan and with,

Diane: Yes

Bryce: you know, some clarity. so I would urge them to If they can't do it themselves, then seek out help from someone else, whether it's somebody like me or somebody, another person who's been through that experience that had a system that, that they had dialed in and it worked for them.

Just being open to, sharing their challenges with somebody instead of assuming that it's just them and assuming that, nobody can help.

Diane: Right. Right. Bryce, how do people reach out and find you?

Bryce: In general, my website is, themedicaregiver.com. So all, Medicaregiver all one word, so M-E-T-A caregiver.com.

You could also shoot me an email at, bryce@themedic caregiver.com. I read them all personally, anybody who shoots me an email can expect a response. And also if you want to read, I do... The last couple weeks I've, been on a little hiatus, working on some other stuff, but generally you can expect to get an email from me every Sunday if you subscribe to my newsletter.

At the, if you go to the website, link to subscribe is, right on the homepage, but, if you want to go directly to the newsletter landing page, it's, the medicaregiver.com

Bryce: backslash subscribe. Just put your email in and, it'll put you on the list, and you'll get a couple, three emails at the beginning just to a welcome and outlines what to expect going forward.

And then you'll get those emails every week, and if I have any new stuff coming up or, whether it's offerings or events or what have you, you'll also get any of those emails I send out.

Diane: Bryce, I create a permanent page on Caregiver Relief with this podcast, so all the links to you will also be there for future, visitors to my site.

They'll be able to link and find you. for the listeners out there, if you didn't get all that information, it will be on the website. Yes ... to my family caregivers out there, you are the most important part of the caregiving equation. Without you, it all falls apart. So please learn to be gentle with yourself.

Practice self-care every day because you are worth it.