Beyond Logic: Real Healing and Transformation with Dr. Neja Zupan - Episode 159

In this soul-stirring episode, host Diane Carbo, RN, sits down with Dr. Neja Zupan, a global Energy Master and founder of the Energy Masters Academy. After facing an aggressive cancer diagnosis with only a 5% survival rate, Dr. Zupan chose a path that defied conventional expectations, turning inward to activate a profound energetic alignment beyond mindset or strategy.

Whether you are a caregiver feeling the weight of the world on your shoulders or someone seeking a deeper connection to your own vitality, this conversation offers a bridge between "East meets West" and explores how to heal beyond the limits of logic.

✨ What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

• The Turning Point: How Dr. Zupan broke a generational pattern of cancer in her family by choosing natural healing over conventional treatments like chemotherapy.
• The 3 Pillars of Transformation:
  1. Energy First: Understanding energy as the "invisible architecture" behind health, vitality, and life quality.
  2. Thinking Beyond Logic: Tapping into multidimensional intelligence to access the unconscious thoughts that influence our physical state.
  3. Scaling through Resonance: Aligning with your soul’s mission to move through life with clarity and coherence.
• The Power of Love vs. Battle: Why "battling" a disease can be counterproductive and how choosing love shifted Dr. Zupan’s health in just three months.
• Healing for Caregivers: Practical advice on releasing the "weight of the world" stored in the body and fascia through emotional and energetic liberation.

💡 Notable Quote

"Battle is actually not a solution. It's really, really opposite of the solution... From the moment that I decided that I am going to love cancer and everything inside me, around me, in three months, only medical doctors said that I'm cancer free." — Dr. Neja Zupan

🎁 Special Gift for Our Listeners

Dr. Neja has provided a special resource for our community: "Seven Steps: Energetic Alignment in Action." This practice is designed to help caregivers refill their own "oxygen masks" and regain their energy before tending to the needs of others.

Connect with Dr. Neja Zupan:

• Website: https://www.nejazupan.com/
• Instagram: @Dr.Neja.Zupan.Institute
• Upcoming Book: From Tumor to Humor

The 7 steps E-book | Neja Zupan

Unlock your potential with Dr. Neja Zupan. Discover programs and consulting to master your energy and achieve personal and professional success.

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🛡️ A Message for Caregivers

As Diane reminds us: "You are the most important part of a caregiving equation. Without you, it all falls apart." Take a moment today to be gentle with yourself and practice self-care, because you are worth it.

Podcast Episode Transcript

Diane: Welcome to the Caregiver Relief Podcast. The podcast is dedicated to supporting and empowering caregivers on their journeys. I'm your host, Diane Carbo, rn, and today I am excited to bring you an inspire, inspiring conversation with Dr. Neja Zupan in our episode title Beyond Logic, real Healing Transformation. I've had several listeners request information on alternative treatments, so I'm trying to offer this on a regular basis. This topic, today's episode is for informational purposes only, and it does not mean it's medical advice. Dr. Zupan is a global Energy master speaker and the founder of Energy Masters Academy.

In 2013, she faced a life altering diagnosis, aggressive hormone dependent ductal cancer, with only a 5% chance of survival. But unlike the women in her family who passed from cancer before, her. Dr. Zupan broke the pattern. She turned away from KE chemotherapy, radiation, and hormonal therapy instead diving inward to activate a profound alignment bet beyond mindset or strategy.

Through this process, she pioneered a method that rewires the body's energy system leading to lasting clarity. Coherence and vitality today. Not only is she cancer free, but she's radiantly alive, sovereign, and guiding change makers across the world to dissolve their energetic limits.

Claim their vitality and stepped into their highest potential. In this episode, we'll uncover three powerful principles that underpin every meaningful shift in life, whether it's in health, relationships, leadership, or personal evolution, energy first. Thinking beyond logic and scaling through resonance.

Diane: Dr. Zupan, thank you and welcome today. I'm excited to have you here. As a nurse of 54 years, I'm, really believe we have to have a meeting of east meets West type of medicines, and boomers are very interested in alternative treatments. so welcome.

Neja: Thank you. Thank you dear Diane for this, kind invitation to your podcast

Diane: Dr. Neja, I want to ask, talk a little bit about you first. Can you tell me what led you to become an energy master?

Neja: Everything began already as I was born. my first memories. Go really back when I was about three months old. Only three months, not three years, three months only. And I remember around my crib, there were angels who were entertaining me. And I remember this situation already as I was an adult.

So as in my adulthood, I remember this. So actually from the beginning I was, somehow in con all the time in contact with, energy world also. Also diagnosed. At the age of six as a child with special needs. So I was somehow prevented to go to the normal school. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was very, everything what I saw afterwards, that this was a precise plan that was, Like a game, not like a game, like a, a theater game where I was just playing a certain role, And it was really perfect design for me. with this diagnosis of special needs because I was very sensitive and very introverted. I was, I felt a lot of energies, and therefore I wanted to isolate myself and therefore they, of course, they, said that I time special needs.

But this led actually to,to really. Very good outcome. I wanted to become a doctor, medical doctor as a child. So I played a lot with dolls, with teddy bears and they were all my patients and I was, yes. I was walking around in this, Ropes, in for the nurses, for medical doctor and giving injections and drugs and all sorts.

as a child, I played a lot, but because of this label, the child as with special needs, I was not allowed to study for a doctor. For a medical doctor, but that was good. Okay. Because, yeah, this was really good. This, that was exactly what, our creator prescribed for me. So at the age of 18, when I was out of the,secondary school.

I started to study six different modalities in natural healing. I was just, I was like,this,

Diane: you were like a sponge that was.

Neja: exactly. Absorbing all

Diane: this information.

Neja: Exactly. reading, how you say in English reading nerd, but just in natural healing area, Yes. I was consuming everything, I went to meditations also to different workshops and at the age of 25, we were repairing something on the roof, and I was sitting in the top of the roof when some white light appeared and I heard voice, follow your mission. You have a mission. Then I recognize that mission is not only for, priests, yes.

But everyone has a mission.

Diane: Yes. They, I believe that we are all put on earth for a purpose.

Neja: Exactly. with this support, I knew that I am supported. I started to study even more,

Diane: I'd like to dive into your personal story about when the moment you received your cancer diagnosis in 2013, and what initially went through your mind,

Neja: As I said, at the age of 18, actually, I started to study everything already at the age of 14. So now it's more than 40 years, four zero years that I'm studying everything. And,by the time that I was diagnosed of the aggressive form of ductal, hormonal dependent cancer, I have already studied for 25 years.

Different modalities in natural healing. and watching my ancestors, especially my mother, how she passed away in suffering in Really?

Diane: Yeah.

Neja: Yeah. In really, my God, it was really not. It was,

Diane: it's painful to watch

Neja: it. It really painful. Yeah. Not just that she was in pain also. I, not just me, but all family members were in pain.

Diane: Oh, yes. Yes.

Neja: Yeah. Because, she was at home because you said, this. Podcast is dedicated to caregivers. We were all caregivers to my mother, yeah, to, her husband was her caregiver. Also another, my, my sister was caregiver. So we split all the tasks, how to take care. And her sisters also took care of her.

And, We had a net of different people to take care and, but we already, at that time, we prayed a lot.

Diane: yes.

Neja: watching all this, I decided already at that time that if I get cancer diagnosis, no way that I accept any of, medical approach.

Diane: so I wanna share with you that my mother had lung cancer.

She never smoked a day in her life. And, I can see how your mother experience with her cancer molded you into what you knew you were gonna do if you got that. That condition. and my mom went through cobalt treatments, terrible treatments.

Yeah.

Diane: And she was actually had just left the oncologist office, NEA when she, was told she beat cancer.

The doctor told her, Louise, you beat cancer. On the way, on the elevator, on the way down to go to the nursing school next door. I was just starting nursing school. It was December, right before Christmas. I was in my third month of nursing school. She threw a pulmonary embolism and died that night and she beat cancer, but the side effects of the cancer killed her.

Neja: Yeah. Yeah.

Diane: And I see that through my whole career that happens. my thoughts are you're, I love how you decided right at that moment with your experience, you were gonna try a natural way. Yeah. and my experience is now that I'm 1772 and I have. Chronic pain and stuff. I'm not seeking any treatment and people don't under and not that I have,I'm very blessed or I have not been diagnosed with cancer.

but that's just my, that's the way I'm gonna deal with it. I'm not taking any of that stuff. So I may be calling you if I get it and see if I can do it the natural way. 'cause n. it can't hurt, but it's my choice with my chronic pain and all the other, and that's the only thing that keeps me from being my best self is the pain that I live with every day.

And it's just from nursing, picking up patients and moving. I tease and tell people I used to pick up men for a living, and I did because in physical rehab, nursing, you. You picked up people. I did orthopedics, I did a lot of different kind of nursings, but ortho rehab was my first love and first choice.

And I did it for many years and my body's just destroyed from it. It's healing. I work on healing it every day. But, so you mentioned you breaking the family pattern. Were all the women before you died from cancer?

Neja: Yes.

Diane: What role did that generational awareness play in your decision to reject conventional treatments?

I think you just explained that.

Neja: yes. I said that, watching all the suffering when all of them went through. This chemotherapy, hormonal therapy treatment, and, different radiations, that was, such suffering that I don't want that even my largest enemy, with, I wish.

So I don't wish Even to the largest enemy.

Diane: Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Neja: So I don't want, even for myself. So when I received, diagnosis, actually I received diagno, not diagnosis, but information that I have cancer in meditation. I was already very deep meditator at the time. And I was meditating and. I heard again, the voice because I'm very clairvoyant, cla,

Yeah. I don't know how it is called this in English, but I hear, I see clairvoyant.

Diane: You're a clairvoyant. Yes.

Neja: That's, yeah.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: I heard, voice again. And it was, it said, now you have cancer. And I just wanted to, eliminate this what I just heard. You have cancer and I want to, radiate everything.

Yes. remove,

Diane: yes.

Neja: But then after few minutes, again, now pay attention. Pay attention. Pay attention. You have cancer. And at that time, of course, I meditated with, the, with my partner and I turned around and told him what I have received, and he knew that I'm, I perceive really clearly information.

yeah.

he said, no, not possible. You need to go to check. And we both cried.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: But, when I went to the doctor, to the oncologist, yes, of course they confirmed and I was really in a state of bliss, I knew, I already knew that I'm not going that way. A conventional way, but I'm going my way.

And I told the oncologist, I was watching all my ancestors, female ancestors, passed away for cancer. And I just don't want to go this way. Whether one day, five days, 10 days, one month, one year, two years, I don't mind how much. How much, I still have in front of me. Yeah, I just want to go my way. and they were really very respectful, towards my decision.

I'm glad. Yes, I'm

Diane: very glad

Neja: because,

yeah. I was also very respectful towards them,

Diane: yes. I know I, I have an issue,I have a friend who just, I have two friends actually that have recently been diagnosed with, cancer. One is stage four and it's metastasized, and they just discovered it.

When I shared with her, she's gonna fight it, with all the chemo and drugs and having worked in the cancer center, when I shared with her that at my age with all my, the pain that I have and stuff, I don't wanna go through. chemo. I don't want to do that. And the shock and when people, I say that, my other friends were like, what's wrong with you?

why wouldn't you do that? my life experience,I respect your decision to be treated the way you wanna be treated. But let respect my decision that this is what I want. I don't wanna be in and out of hospitals and be sick for long periods of time. and that's not my, I don't, I want quality of life.

I don't need quantity of life. So when I hear your story, I find it fascinating. you talk about this profound alignment. Beyond mindset or strategy and some of the stuff I've read, that you experienced during your healing journey, how does it lead to a purpose-driven path against all odds? And how do you activate or discover that within yourself?

Neja: it was blessing. What happened to me in my childhood with this, labeling? Yes.

Yes. So I started to study things that were really aligned with myself.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: And when I received diagnosis, I was completely clear that I go natural way. I only accepted that they removed. two centers of the cancer centers.

So

Diane: yeah,

Neja: one was about two centimeters big. And the other one was about one centimeter big, but the lesion or breast bone was not possible to remove. But I said, okay, at least now these two are removed. And now I start to really, dive deep into my own healing. And what I perceived actually at the end of everything.

This was cancer was actually a Gods test. How much I have learned in 25 years,

Diane: Yeah. Yeah.

Neja: So he said to me, now you pass or you pass.

It's really funny game of words in English, Yes. Yeah. I really, get cured. Uhhuh, or, yeah. Or I die and I used really everything, what I knew. I went deep. So on the physical level, I did detoxification of my body. Quite a lot of the detoxification, not that my body was, was.

Like full oxis, Yeah, no, it was not. It was not because I ate healthy already before, but just cancer cells produce more than 60 different toxins by themselves. So I just helped my body to really release all these toxins that were produced by cancer cells. I, meditated a lot. I, I did, also healing like this vibrational healing.

and then cleaning, stimulating, lymph, lymph flow of the lymph. Lymph note. Yeah. this is, yeah, this is not important just on the body, but on the body. When body has some sort of illness, you said for example, pains.

Diane: Yeah.

Neja: If you would work with me, I would ask you, where do you have pains?

Because certain part of the body expresses. What emotions and mind is stored over there. And by liberating flow of limb or tensions from the fascia, you actually liberate your emotions. And I clearly remember, and this was one of very profound, healing treatment, stimulating lymph flow. it was quite a long treatment in person and I started to cry and I was crying for four days and this was not crying just for myself what I felt.

I was crying for all my female ancestors, so this was really very deep. And of course I practice a lot of also shamanic practices so that you, you enter in the elevate or widened. State of consciousness where you just observe from birth perspective what is happening on the, on the material body.

So I knew how to, how to handle everything, how to conduct my healing. And what is very important, and you just mentioned this with prayers, at the beginning of course, I started to battle with the cancer. many people. Say, yeah, I'm battling this disease, I'm battling that. Disease battle is actually not a solution.

It's really, really opposite of the solution. And I was battling for first three months, about three months, two and a half, about, and then in one of meditations I figured out that battling, the origin of battling is anger. And it's rage. So I'm not good in rage, I'm not good in,in anger. this is the way how I will lose this battle because I'm not good in this area.

So I decided this was beginning of,of August, 2013. I decided that I am, I'm going to love cancer, love. And from that moment that I decided that I'm going to love cancer and everything inside me, around me, in three months, only medical doctors said that I'm cancer free.

Diane: That's amazing.

Neja: what I perceive actually, God is, yeah, we usually call he, but it's not, masculine, it's not feminine.

It's divine, masculine and feminine together. Also, my name ne Yeah, AYA. It's no, yes. Together, oneness. It's feminine, masculine, divine together, and it's pure love. I experienced this pure love. It was flowing through me. Everything. this year my new book will be released, from tumor to humor and I will get, I will give you a note when it'll be out because I explain everything what I did to get healed.

Diane: did you say is tumor to humor?

Neja: Humor, yes.

Diane: I love that. I love that.

Neja: Yes. Yes. Because love is humor. It's happiness is joy.

Diane: yes. Yeah.

Neja: So when I started to really practice this in my life, everything started to change.

Diane: Yeah.

Neja: And yeah, when I introduced these principles that I have, used for my own healing also for my business,

Diane: yeah.

Neja: My business started to grow internationally almost effortlessly. Can you imagine? True.

Diane: Yes,

Neja: true. Very easy.

Diane: Yeah. I want my listeners to know that, when I went to nursing school in the seventies, I had eight weeks of psychiatric. And one of the things that we learned, we just briefly touched on it, was your emotions and your thoughts can lead to many unhealthy conditions.

And I, and I learned that, but they didn't say, they didn't elaborate on it, how your thinking process affects it. But I've always felt like I've had the weight of the world on my shoulders. I took care of my mom, my, my siblings. I've always been a caregiver and, and what is bad with me is my neck and my whole spine.

And, So I, that is the weight of the world has been here and I deal with that. But people have to understand that emotions do. and the way you think, the way you approach things can. Actually the mind body connection is very real. I believe it. And you're a perfect example of that. Now you talk about your first principle, energy.

First. Can you explain what you mean by that? And and you say energy is an invisible architecture behind everything. explain that to me 'cause I'm not familiar with that.

Neja: Everything is energy. Without energy. Yeah. This body would be dead. Yeah. So primarily we need to take care of our energy. So quality of energy. Quantity of energy, vibration of energy, everything. What is connected with energy and if. Good quality, quantity and frequency of energy, high frequency of energy flows through us, then we are healthy because health is a consequence of, a really, this, the wine energy that comes from our origin, from our Soul's origin, from our inner essence. Yes.

And As I said, vitality, health, life quality depends on our quality of energy. And this quality of energy can be, of course, disturbed, as you said so beautifully by our emotions, by our mind, and inherited traumas. So something that we brought with us, whether from past generations or from our past experiences, not, just this life, but also past lives.

Diane: Yes,

Neja: to heal myself, I went really deep into my past lives and removed. Liberated or released all the tensions that were, that originated from, it was about, 600, 500, 600 years back.

So I liberated, I have this access. I help also others. I have many clients who are healed

Who are cured of different diseases because I guide them into exact the first, first obstacle that caused.

That started to cause energy disharmony. That, that it, when this energy disharmony is, persists a long time, also physical body picks it as a disease.

Diane: I want my listeners to understand that what you're saying.

I have read in our Western medicine. Technology books in psychiatry. Many of us, have issues that are unresolved issues of our parents or their parents, and we don't realize that we are, it is being passed down to us. I always question that. But because I'm 72 and I've seen what's happened in my life and I see my children, I believe that unresolved issues absolutely are passed on to, other generations.

I see it, and I know that it's a very real concept that, people overlook in western medicine.

Neja: Yes. Yes. A lot. A lot. But, I see that Western medicine has its own place in healing.

Diane: Yes, it does. Yes.

Neja: And Western medicine. Yes. from my perspective, they, want for themselves to large share of the cake.

Diane: Yeah.

Neja: And they don't understand the, yeah. Energy world as we just spoke about.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: when person is dead. So no food, no electroshock, no injections, no water, no surgery, nothing happens. Why? Because energy is gone.

Diane: Yes. Yes.

Neja: So we need to take care of energy. Energy is. foundation of everything.

If we feel bad, then we cannot work. And this is everything connected with energy.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: And also quality of our thoughts and emotions is dependent on energy that flows through us.

Diane: Yes.

Neja: that's really fascinating. Everything.

Diane: Yes. Now you have a, the second principle you talk about is thinking beyond logic.

And I'm very interested in this one because one of the issues I see with family caregivers is, and I tell them all the time when I'm talking to them or working with them, or even in my podcast, tell them when you make. Decisions based on emotions. You're making poor decisions. You take out all the logic.

And here you are saying, thinking beyond logic. and from what I can read from your, the things I've looked at on your site and stuff you believe logic only taps into a tiny fraction of our intelligence. So tell me about what this non-linear intelligence looks like.

Neja: What I perceive nowadays on, on the, planet Earth, that many, there are many mind coaches, yes, they are also needed. Yeah. Because they, they are dealing with how person thinks things, but w. Consciously we are aware only three to 7% of our thoughts. So with conscious mind thinking, we tap into only three to 7% of our thoughts.

If we take average, that means 95% of our thoughts are unconscious and here comes beyond logic. So how I went beyond logic is by, meditating, really profoundly meditating.

and using also power plants that help me to, to enter into widen space of consciousness where I'm aware of all these different patterns that, Form or, that build myself and When I'm aware of everything, of course, by conscious will, I'm aware also in day-to-day life what I'm doing as a consequence of these, thoughts that are now. conscious Uhhuh and I changed them day by day. so this is one, one approach. And the second approach I studied also a lot of Ayurveda and different yogic science

Diane: Yes.

Neja: And with, special techniques of karma yoga. That's, really profound. Profound retreat when person can enter into the past lives and Remove all the karmic patterns that influence now, this life now.

Diane: Okay,

Neja: so thinking beyond logic, I want to, I really want to m make. Clear that this means to start using multidimensional intelligence, not just this iq, this, logic, intelligence, uhhuh, or not just emotional intelligence or, Somatic intelligence, but all intelligence together. So if something is happening on the body, as I said before, I need to just know where on your body you have pain, and then we can discuss what you have stored in your body.

Not in your mind, in your body. Yes. That makes you pain. Yeah. So by, Multidimensional intelligence, I, cower everything. It's physical,intelligence of body, intelligence of emotions, of mind, of energy. So perceiving energies and intelligence of your spirit, of your soul, and. In each level, you get information how to improve functioning of this body.

Was it clear enough?

Diane: Yeah, that I, that I fi I'm finding your information fascinating, because it's nothing that I have explored before, but,I appreciate it. 'cause I know, I really feel that the east, west, and this, again, everything you're saying makes sense to me from this perspective. That there is a mind body connection for everything.

And we have the tools within us and the ability within us to use to help heal things, by changing our thought patterns, by, practicing, doing certain practices like meditation. and I know you have other things now you ha your third principle is scaling your life through resonance.

Neja: Yes.

Diane: Tell me about that.

Neja: This is, you know when you are synchronized with your

soul's origin, then energy of your soul is coming to your heart. We talked about this at the beginning when you said that each person has its own mission here. And you can start to feel this mission. So first is energy. If you have enough energy, you can, you can start walking when you have. Mindset beyond logic, then you can organize your journey through life.

yes. And when you are connected with your spiritual origin with, you can call it also God or Or a higher self, or a brahma, Allah,creator universe. yeah. Universe, whatever. Yeah. Name you call it. it's oneness,

Diane:

Neja: And when you are connected with this. energy.

with your energy, with creator's energy, you start to walk your mission. So you use energy and your mindset to walk your mission. So these are three really strong pillars that are important for us to, fulfill our mission here on the world.

Diane: I want my listeners to know that I have, I've been a nurse for 50 plus years, and I have seen doctors say, tell families, you're a perfect example of it, that they marked you as special needs and obviously you're not special needs at all.

your special needs are, you're, you are a very highly intelligent person, probably more it, they weren't used to it at that, at your young age of expressing it. But I have seen people that have had, that were told, you'll never walk again. You'll never speak again. You'll never do all of these things.

And then all of a sudden,years later, that person's walking and talking and being able to communicate clearly. I think that. while they may not have your ability to do the energy, they had the ability to think beyond logic and they put their energy into healing themselves.

So I believe what you're saying, I've seen it way too many times. I've seen babies that were not supposed to live, not only live, but thrive and become, productive members of society. so I, I believe what you're saying, I've seen it in my own life. And, we used to talk about it as the power of prayer and is that, is the power of prayer real?

I think that the way you're expressing things, because it is, it's thinking beyond logic and, it is doing everything you're, and everybody's focusing their energy on that person and their healing. I believe that it's a possibility. I do, I, in fact, I not only believe it's a possibility, but I believe that I have witnessed that in my decades of nursing, and I've seen women that have, had a cancer diagnosis of the breast and, months later come back and it was gone.

Western medicine says, oh, we must misdiagnosed. but again, it's beyond logic because they had the x-rays, they had all the tests that showed it was there and then it was gone without any intervention. So I believe there are times, and there are people that, experience a healing such as you're talking about, that is not just beyond logic.

it's absolutely beyond reason for most people to actually believe it. But from my years of nursing practice, I've seen it. I have not seen an abundance of it, but I think that's because again, we have life limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Neja: Exactly. yes. Yeah.

Diane: Yeah. and I understand that and I know 'cause I've personally had those life limiting experiences and I know now that,I don't have to have, well,you know, I'm 72 and I'm doing podcasts. I could be retired and enjoy life, but I have a need to help people. I want to share my knowledge with them and help them improve their lives while they're, whether they're aging at home or whether it's a caregiver caring for someone.

And, what I see with our caregivers is they feel fatigue. They feel anger. They feel. rage, they feel, invisible, they feel unheard, and they make themselves sick. one of the statistics of caregivers right now is 63% of them become seriously ill or die before the person they're caring for.

That's chronic stress. Chronic stress is killing them. And that's why I believe that somebody like you, who has, changes your mindset, and I believe this, change your perspective. You change your life and there is a mind body connection. And you teach people that are struggling. How to overcome that.

You have a tools, you have the strategies to help them if they want the help. and we talked about this earlier in, before we were on the,on the podcast about, I said, I think it works if people believe in. And you told me that it works even if it, you don't believe in it. And I love that.

And you said it was such confidence and I know, and when you told me about the scenario of the wife bringing in her husband and having had two husbands, two brothers, two sons. I can tell you, men aren't open to a lot of things. they're like, they don't wanna share their emotions. They won't wanna share their information.

They're very private. And then to have somebody like you come into their lives, I love that. it, and to hear that you've had success makes me happy.

Neja: Yes, indeed. Yes.

Diane: I love that. Naya. How do people find you?

Neja: I'm on social media, so you can search on Instagram, Dr. Neja dot Zupan dot Institute. D R dot N E JA, ZUPAN dot Institute.

So on Instagram, on Facebook. Also on LinkedIn. I don't know whether somebody is on LinkedIn. Also many, with us reels on TikTok or YouTube as well. Shorts, I have quite a lot of shorts in English.

Diane: I put all this, I create a permanent page on my website, caregiver relief. And your information, the podcast will be there.

And information. So I will have information to link to you, permanently for my readers. And we put it in the show notes, so we'll get you covered so that if people are interested in finding you, I will definitely make sure that they can.

Neja: And, I prepared a special gift, a special present for caregivers because energy I know.

For them especially, is really of high need. Yes, because, I, from my, my experience at that time, I knew when my mother was about, one, one year and a half, we were taking care of her. I knew that I was almost all the time exhausted, and I know that energy is of a high importance. Yeah. So I have prepared one very special gift.

this is Seven Steps, energetic Alignment in Action. So that you get seven different practices that you get energy. I advised to do this, energy practice. It's only 20 minutes in the morning before you start to. To give care to somebody else, take care of yourself. Because if you are without energy, you cannot take care of anyone.

So first you then somebody else, it's the same as on the airplane. They say you need first to put your the mask on yourself, correct. Ing oxygen mask, then help somebody else. Absolutely. So it's the same here. These practices are not only for you, you can practice them also on a person that you care for.

Diane: Ah,

Neja: so for both sides.

But first, you as a caregiver.

Diane: And caregivers a hard time, have a hard time making themselves a priority. But,I, here's how I end every podcast to my family caregivers out there, you are the most important part of a caregiving equation. Without you, it all falls apart. So please learn to be gentle with yourself.

Practice self-care every day because you are worth it.